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by , Posted to on 12/09/2009 07:50 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Did anyone think that houston alexander was told whatever you do don't throw any combo's @ kimbo. that fight looked way to much like it was rigged right down to the part where the final whistle blew and both guys hunched over like they were totally gassed. what a joke. glad the fat country won because it pissed Dana off, but to me the ufc is losing some creditibility, with the machida V rua, and coture V vera most recently. oh and anyone who fights kimbo and doesn't work him seems like it is rigged also. I don't think he has a future against anyone with any backbone.
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by on 12/09/2009 11:40 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 I think Houston gasses himself out by walking big circles around the outside of the octagon for most of the fight, then once they started getting into each other they got even more tired. It was a really weird fight, but they were big guys and they were really excited for the fight so I'm not sure. I don't think it was rigged though. 
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by on 12/09/2009 11:52 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Kimbo was gassed even in the UFC Ultimate Fighter show.  Not sure what his problem is.  People with nothing but muscle sometimes burn out much quicker than others because their body needs to feed the muscle so much.

I didn't hear any of the Houston rumors.  One thing about Houston is his credibility.  The guy exploded on the scene but since has been pretty much worked over.  I think that's why they paired him and Kimbo.

I enjoyed Big Country.  He will have to develop some sort of defense for taking punches but he does have a controlling aspect to him that will annoy people.  If he doesn't get knocked out he could win a few fights by waiting for the right moment to pounce or lay on a guy.  Yes, Dana seemed rather annoyed.  Among others.




 
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by on 12/09/2009 12:14 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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was a disappointing fight.  but, don't think it was rigged either.  houston was the perfect figher for kimbo.  someone who will stand there and trade punches if that is what you want to call that.  he was handpicked for that reason.  there was no chance either one of them was going to attempt to get it to the ground.  having said that... kimbo has decent standup and some heavy hands.  and i think houston has fought at 205 before.  so, he was also completely outsized.  the combo of kimbo's decent standup and his size just made him too much for alexander. 

i loved the fact that big country won.  i was cheering for his fat ass the whole time.  kind of because dana didn't like him and kind of because i thought he had decent skills.  the guy moves rather well on his feet and also has good hands.  he knows how to keep his distance when he has to and take advantage of mistakes by his opponent when they end up tied up and going to the ground. 

too bad mitrione is such a putz and out of shape.  i kind of liked that guys stand up game.  very heavy puncher and seemed to understand the idea of keeping his distance and moving around the ring.  but, he is completely out of shape and dumber than a box of rocks.  "meathead" was the perfect nickname for that guy. 
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by on 12/09/2009 12:30 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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ive been saying that some of the fights are rigged ever since that right in the uk with matt hamell and michael bisbing. im not sayin that all of them are; or saying that i keep real good track of the score but ive seen A LOT of fights in my day and i can think of about a half dozen that i was thinkin how did they come up with a score like that.
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by on 12/09/2009 12:52 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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i kind of have to disagree w/ that.  although, i agree there have been at least that many fights where i was in complete disagreement with the score, i don't think the judges are rigged.  i think they are either disilusioned or simply a little biased towards a certian fighter or fighting style.  don't think they are paid off or told to hand decisions down one way or another though.  don't see any benifit for the UFC to do something like that.
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by on 12/09/2009 1:04 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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ya im not sayin the judges are really paid off but i do think that they are maybe told to be biased or to lean one way or another. ive just seen more and more fights lately that i had it it scored 3rounds to 2 one way way and then it ends up unanimously the other way. donno...............maybe times are changing with how they scores the bouts.
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by on 12/09/2009 1:12 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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i agree that they aren't rigged by judges, but there was no way bispuss was going to lose in the UK unless he got KO'd. The vera coture fight was close, as was the machida rua fight, close fights are/have always been tough to judge. but in the kimbo fight i was saying that Houston was either scared, payed, or he has nothing left. espringers do you really think that houston stood in front of slice and banged. the way he outpointed many strikers that i think are better than slice, just made me sick watching that crap he put out there. I don't know who he will fight next but i can name 10 guys easily in the 205 class that would gut him. Dana is getting greedy in my opinion that's why slice is even in the ufc, because he is not a MMA fighter, "youtube fat guy beater upper" he is definately top 5.
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by on 12/09/2009 2:40 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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naw... i guess i don't think he stood and banged w/ him.  that is kind of why i put that "if that is what u want to call it" comment in there.  although, i think that was the hope when he was picked as an opponent.  in fact, i wonder if dana wasn't hoping to put the kimbo thing to rest.  first he gets beat by a big fat guy laying on him and if he would've gotten beat down standing up by a regular 205 pounder you could send him home and never have to deal w/ him again. 

i am having trouble remembering the fight.  but, if i remember right, neither one of them threw but 2 punches over the course of the first five minutes.  they both looked like scared girls i guess.  and i don't know what his problem was.  i fully expected him to hand kimbo a complete beat down.  but, i guess he wasn't in shape, was timid and kimbo has decent stand up.  bad combination of circumstances for him.  i also agree he ain't much of an mma fighter.  but, he is making an honest attempt to hone his skills.  and considering some of the others who had fights that night (meathead, titties, big baby, etc..) kimbo's presence wasn't totally absurd. 
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by on 12/09/2009 2:49 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Good point on the Couture/Vera fight.  I like Couture, but just about pooped myself and actually got kind of mad when he got the decision.

And how did one of the judges score 30-27 in favor of Kimbo.  It was a horrible fight and no way did Kimbo win by that margin (if he won at all). 

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by on 12/09/2009 4:43 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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does any one think that big country acctually has a chance aginst the upper class of the heavy wieghts?
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by on 12/09/2009 5:08 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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KurtR Said:
does any one think that big country acctually has a chance aginst the upper class of the heavy wieghts?


nope, but i think he is that second tier and if underestimated could catch some of the upper HW.
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by on 12/09/2009 5:43 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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i dont think he does; but then the lesnar ordeal comes into play. if dana wants them there; they'll get there. UFC is gettin real soft on good heavyweights. ill get ripped to shreds for that comment im sure
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by on 12/09/2009 6:24 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Loved seeing Mitrione beat Bigbaby after the crap Bigbaby pulled at the house where he got in Mitrione face for beating his buddy. That was down right pathitic.

I too was cheering for Big Country through out the show. Glad he won. You could tell Dana wasn't happy.

Kimbo definately not MMA material. He would be way better off if he would just do what he did in his street fights, throw hands. That had to be the most boring fight I have seen.

Watching the UFC countdown show last night it looks like Frank Mir wants ole' Lesnar pretty badly. I'm sure they will have a tie breaker match.
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by on 12/09/2009 8:43 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I don't think any recognized MMA organization has "rigged fights" but I will agree that judging especially of late has been horrible!  There is no excuse for 2 judges scoring a fight 30-27 for one fighter and the third judge scoring it the same except for the other fighter.  The tito/forrest 2 fight a few weeks ago was a perfect example.  i was rooting for forrest but best case scenario that fight was a draw if not a tito win. ( AND I HATE TITO!!!!!!)  I think one fighter to watch in the future is Jon "Bonz" Jones.  I have never seen anyone work over Matt hamel like that.

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by on 12/09/2009 9:01 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Pro V1 Said:
I don't think any recognized MMA organization has "rigged fights" but I will agree that judging especially of late has been horrible!  There is no excuse for 2 judges scoring a fight 30-27 for one fighter and the third judge scoring it the same except for the other fighter.  

I agree...a match like Hammill vs. Bisping, doesn't indicate a fight is "rigged"  but indicates that scoring can be off or appear to be off.

I disagree that you can't have a fight that is 30-27 for fighter A, and 30-27 for fighter B.
 
Everything is scored round by round...so if round 1 is very close....you could envision it being 10-9, 10-10 or 9-10.  Same goes for round 2, 3, etc.   It's likely you could have two judges that saw close rounds differently.  And yes...when you see "30-27" in a close fight....many say "Aww gee whiz...that was a close fight...so how can it be 30-27?" 

30-27 can mean a one sided beating, or it can me 3 very close rounds.....
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