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Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH

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President Obama's Anti-Gun Agenda Shows No Sign of Stopping

By John Lott

Published December 28, 2011

| FoxNews.com

President Obama keeps pushing for gun control. "I just want you to know that we are working on [gun control]. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar,” President Obama told Sarah Brady, the former president of the Brady Campaign, this past spring.

His push as been quiet but relentless.

Just this past week Obama signaled that he was going to just ignore two new parts of the 2012 Omnibus Spending bill. Although he signed the spending bill into law, he simultaneously issued a so-called "signing statement," a note that presidents have started attaching to legislation stating how they interpret the law they are signing or whether they believe part of it is unconstitutional.

Obama’s statement claimed that Congress couldn’t put restrictions on how he wanted to spend to fund lobbying for gun control and the National Institute of Health studies of gun control.

But why should the federal government use taxpayer dollars to pay for lobbying?

Obama has had numerous false starts on gun control. Just in November, his administration moved to ban target practice on public lands, but the opposition was so swift and strong they immediately backtracked.

A couple of weeks ago the Obama administration suffered another embarrassment. It was discovered that the Obama administration oversaw the sale of guns to Mexican drug gangs in its Fast & Furious program to bolster statistics of guns crossing over to the border to these very drug gangs.

This scandal is quite incredible as the Obama administration ordered gun dealers to make sales to Mexican drug gangs against their wishes to help the administration’s push for more gun control. And this follows the revelation in July that the Obama administration had pushed federal agents involved in the Fast & Furious scandal to support gun control regulations during their congressional testimony.

It doesn’t help that the Obama administration started pushing these sales at the same time they wanted to bolster their case that America was supply illegal guns to Mexico backfired. All this undercut any justification for new regulations and destroyed any support that they might have had.

With 90 congressmen signing a "no confidence" resolution in Attorney General Eric Holder’s handling of “Fast & Furious,” last week Holder lashed out against his critics. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American,” Holder told the New York Times. Holder seems unwilling to recognize the genuine outrages the administration’s gun-control agenda has produced.

Still the administration has successfully manage to push through gun control regulations in many, less visible ways: -- The Obama administration instituted a ban on importing "historic" semi-automatic rifles into the US. -- In sharp contrast to the Bush administration, President Obama strongly supports the UN Arms Trade Treaty even though he knows that any such treaty are unlikely to obtain the two-thirds vote in the Senate needed for ratification. What the regulations will do is lead to severe restrictions on private gun ownership around the world.

The administration instituted new rules on selling "high-powered rifles," defined as a caliber of greater than .22. -- The administration nominated Andrew Traver, someone who supports gun bans, as the head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

Obama has stuck by Traver despite his nomination being stalled in the Senate for a year and the fierce opposition it has generated.

Obama’s most lasting impact on gun control is likely to be through the federal court judges he appoints. His most visible appointments have been the gun-control advocates he has made to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan headed up President Clinton’s push for gun control when she worked for his White House during the 1990s. And Justice Sonia Sotomayor has signed on to a Supreme Court opinion stating that there is no individual right to "private self-defense" with guns.

The pro-gun control views of Obama’s nominees have played a role the Senate filibustering of two Appeals Court nominees. Caitlin Joan Halligan was particularly controversial when nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit because she opposes an individual’s right to self defense and – even more damning -- she was one of the trial lawyers who had sued gun makers. Thus in New York v. Sturm & Ruger, she argued that gun makers should be liable for the criminal acts of third parties but not given any credit for the benefits from self-defense.

If elected to a second term, Obama will end up appointing over half the federal judges. That sure can make a big difference.

Most importantly, the Supreme Court is only one vote away from reversing the 5 to 4 decisions that so narrowly struck down the handgun bans in Chicago and the District of Columbia.

Two of the Justices who voted to strike down the bans, conservative Antonin Scalia and moderate Anthony Kennedy, will be well into their 80s during the next administration.

While a couple of Justices have made it to 90 while serving on the court, remember the rare glimpse into Obama’s views during the 2008 campaign when he referred to those “bitter” Americans who “cling to their guns, cling to their religion.”

It surely fits his earlier statement: “I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

Yet, despite all this evidence of an anti-gun agenda, recent articles by the Associated Press and other news media paint Obama as a moderate on guns and as somebody who wants to "protect the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens” and merely support so-called “gun safety” measures.

Of course, they are wrong. Unfortunately, Obama’s patient “under the radar” campaign seems to be working. He is fundamentally changing the courts and leaving them much more hostile to gun ownership. If Americans catch on, this could still be a major issue in the 2012.

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Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 9:27 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/21/2005
Location: ND
Obama just wants people to have guns like Henry  Obama will get back in just because democrat voters don't have to be alive to vote

The best democrat platform a Republican can stand on it a manure pile

drug test everyone on welfare

have an open season on molesters

Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 9:56 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/26/2006
Location: ND
 They can try to take my guns...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 10:04 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: SD
Why no comment on the pro gun laws that Obama signed? Must be getting close to election time again I guess. Good Grief
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 10:08 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
One of those "forwards" which appeals to me:

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. 
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear,
you hear muffled whispers.
 
At least two people have broken into your
house and are moving your way.
 
With your heart pumping, you reach down
beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
 
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch
toward the door and open it.
In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
 
One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
you raise the shotgun and fire.
 
The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second
man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police,
you know you're in trouble.
 
In your country, most guns were outlawed years
before, and the few that are privately owned
are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..
 
Yours was never registered.
Police arrive and inform you
that the second burglar has died.
 
They arrest you for First Degree Murder
and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney, he tells
you not to worry: authorities will probably
plea the case down to manslaughter.
 
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
"Only ten-to-twelve years,"
he replies, as if that's nothing.
 
"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
 
The next day, the shooting is the lead
story in the local newspaper.
 
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric
vigilante while the two men you shot
are represented as choirboys.
 
Their friends and relatives can't find
an unkind word to say about them..
 
Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.
 
But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..
 
As the days wear on, the story takes wings.
The national media picks it up,
then the international media.
 
The surviving burglar
has become a folk hero.
 
 
Your attorney says the thief is preparing
to sue you, and he'll probably win.
 
The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack
of effort in apprehending the suspects.
 
After the last break-in, you told your neighbor
that you would be prepared next time.
 
The District Attorney uses this to allege
that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
 
 
A few months later, you go to trial.
The charges haven't been reduced,
as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.
 
When you take the stand, your anger at
the injustice of it all works against you..
 
Prosecutors paint a picture of you
as a mean, vengeful man.
 
It doesn't take long for the jury to convict
you of all charges.
 
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
 
This case really happened.
 
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.
 
In April, 2000, he was convicted
and is now serving a life term..
 
 
How did it become a crime to defend one's
own life in the once great British Empire ?
 
 
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.
This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..
 
 
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.
Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.


Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people
take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors
had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured
in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over
to local authorities.

Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences
if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?



 
 
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Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 10:37 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: SD
And how does this pertain to Obama? Thats right, getting close to election time, let the lies and fear mongering begin.
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/30/2011 11:43 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tony Martin wasn't attacked by a guy with a crowbar, they were fleeing when he shot and killed the kid.
 
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 00:28 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
BringingTheRain Said:
Tony Martin wasn't attacked by a guy with a crowbar, they were fleeing when he shot and killed the kid.

So what if they were fleeing, death by crowbar death by buckshot is still dead.  No sympythy for violent  criminals.  Hope they all get a face full of buck shot!!!! 

 


"Any deer is a trophy, as long as its over 160 inches.  So if your not shooting 160 inch deer its not a trophy.  Don't don't fool yourself and say it is cause it isn't."  BT
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 00:28 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
BringingTheRain Said:
Tony Martin wasn't attacked by a guy with a crowbar, they were fleeing when he shot and killed the kid.

Tony's house had been robbed 10 times before this. "The Kid" was 16 and had been arrested 29 times.  They broke into his house with the intent to do who knows what. I am certainly not gonna hold it against Tony. The guy deserves a pat on the back.

When you rid society of guns, the criminals have free rein.  What more could a burglar ask for than to rid people of their guns.

When someone like Obama says "he is working on gun control" I take him at his word. But who am I kidding? Something like this could never happen in the States. Silly me.
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 00:31 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Kaptain Said:
And how does this pertain to Obama? Thats right, getting close to election time, let the lies and fear mongering begin.

It doesn't matter if an election is right around the corner or not.  This is a fundamental debate on whether we're going to lose our freedom like they did in England, not "lies and fear mongering".  That debate has to be fought day in and day out with nitwits like you.  Get a breath of fresh air and start thinking for yourself there buddy. 

“When you have to shoot, shoot. Don’t Talk.” – Tuco (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly)

Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 01:18 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Can you say Civil War?!?!?!  I would not be suprised one bit if I see it in my lifetime
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 01:29 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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IntroC Said:
BringingTheRain Said:
Tony Martin wasn't attacked by a guy with a crowbar, they were fleeing when he shot and killed the kid.

Tony's house had been robbed 10 times before this. "The Kid" was 16 and had been arrested 29 times.  They broke into his house with the intent to do who knows what. I am certainly not gonna hold it against Tony. The guy deserves a pat on the back.

When you rid society of guns, the criminals have free rein.  What more could a burglar ask for than to rid people of their guns.

When someone like Obama says "he is working on gun control" I take him at his word. But who am I kidding? Something like this could never happen in the States. Silly me.
I was just pointing out that the forward wasn't exactly right and that Martin shot an unarmed kid in the back while he was fleeing.
 
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 01:47 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: nd
Anythingbutwork!! Said:
Can you say Civil War?!?!?!  I would not be suprised one bit if I see it in my lifetime
All civilizations fall at some point.
 
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 02:31 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/16/2009
Location: SD
First of all; before this gets out of hand, there is another John Lott who is the Chief of Fisheries in SD. He's not the referral; just so there is no confusion. After confirmng the other John Lott and reading his bio; I thought perhaps it was Trent Lott who was in question. There are a lot of Lotts; and Google still is a good tool, esp. when using Wikipedia. Read all the words before a conclusion is drawn; after that, fire away.

One step at a time...Be careful.

Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 07:04 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
BringingTheRain Said:
Anythingbutwork!! Said:
Can you say Civil War?!?!?!  I would not be suprised one bit if I see it in my lifetime
All civilizations fall at some point.

Sounds like your OK with this?
Re: Gun Control Alive and Well in the WH
by on 12/31/2011 07:37 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
 
IntroC Said:
BringingTheRain Said:
Tony Martin wasn't attacked by a guy with a crowbar, they were fleeing when he shot and killed the kid.

Tony's house had been robbed 10 times before this. "The Kid" was 16 and had been arrested 29 times.  They broke into his house with the intent to do who knows what. I am certainly not gonna hold it against Tony. The guy deserves a pat on the back.

When you rid society of guns, the criminals have free rein.  What more could a burglar ask for than to rid people of their guns.

When someone like Obama says "he is working on gun control" I take him at his word. But who am I kidding? Something like this could never happen in the States. Silly me.
Except for the guy in MLPS in the last 4-6wks.  Old lady gets her purse stolen, guy jumps in his car and pursues the thief.  Thief draws a gun, hero ventilates thief.  Hero isn't charged by the police but will likely need to defend himself against a civil wrongful death suit.

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