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Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands

by , Posted to on 03/09/2009 10:57 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Mar 07, 2009 - 04:05:51 CST
Folks driving around the Little Missouri National Grasslands will have fewer miles of road to drive on and a better grip on whether they're where they should be when the U.S. Forest Service completes a travel management plan.

The agency will publish a free map to go with the plan once it's approved this fall, and ramp up signing out on the grasslands to go with it.

The public is invited to comment on the travel proposal during one of three meetings that will be held starting March 16.

The Forest Service has identified about 1,440 miles of roads and trails that will remain open to everything on wheels, including all-terrain vehicles.

It's also identified about 800 miles that will be closed under the new travel management plan, either because they don't have much value, or there's some risk associated with traveling there.

One issue is whether the road has questionable public access when it enters onto privately owned land, meaning neither the county nor the Forest Service has an easement, said district supervisor Ron Jablonski.

Some roads will be closed because they lead only to oil wells, or have steep slopes, stream crossings or are near cultural sites.

Others are being closed for wildlife and environmental concerns. Those closings are due to known golden eagle nests, grouse leks, and black-footed ferret reintroduction and bighorn sheep lambing areas.

Jablonski said roads now in the grasslands range from high standard gravel roads, down to trails made by someone during the hunting season.

He said most road conflicts occur during hunting season. "That's when the vast majority of the public is out there," he said.

Some areas of the grasslands have been closed to wheeled use since 2002, including areas that are designated as suitable for wilderness, or already in non-motorized and research areas.

The roads in the former Eberts Ranch are not included in this plan, because they're part of a separate environmental process. The Forest Service purchased the Eberts Ranch, now called the Elkhorn Ranchlands, two years ago, and is still studying how to manage the property.

The meetings on the travel management plan will be held from 3 to 7 p.m. on the following dates: March 16 at Watford City Civic Center; March 17 at the Dickinson Research Extension Center; and March 18 at the Bismarck Public Library.

Maps of the proposed road plan are at www.fs.fed.us/r1/dakotaprairie or by calling the Forest Service at 250-4443.



If you follow the to the grasslands site then scroll down and check the maps and compare them to your maps or your memory, this is gonna definately make the packs and boots get a workout. I guess i really don't mind it but i hate walking 7 miles then walk back to the truck in the dark when before you could get picked up on the end of your walk. There is a lot of trails proposed to be shut down that are prime access, to backcountry, it has it's good and bad i guess.
Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 11:04 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

Current Events

Little Missouri National Grassland Travel Management Planning

The U.S. Forest Service, Dakota Prairie Grasslands is in the process of developing a travel management plan for the Little Missouri National Grassland. This plan would designate a system of roads and trails on the Little Missouri National Grasslands that the general public is invited to use for wheeled motor vehicle travel.

A proposed action has been developed, and is available for review and public comments.Your comments would be most useful if they are received by the Forest Service by April 1, 2009.

To comment by e-mail, send to:
comments-northern-dakota-prairie@fs.fed.us
Please title your e-mail "TRAVEL"
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Proposed Action

McKenzie District Map (LMNG North)

Medora District Map (LMNG South)

McKenzie District Roads Open/Closed Table

Medora District Roads Open/Closed Table

36 CFR 212 - Travel Management Final Rule
(Goes to a site outside of the DPG.)

2001 Tri-State Decision

2002 DPG Land & Resource Management Plan




 
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 1:18 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I encourage everyone who loves the Badlands for whatever reason they may to take a look at the links above.  There are some interesting closures.  Like sweeny, I am kind of torn between the idea.  Good for the young motivated hunter and bad for the aging hunter.  We all know a very big population of hunters are aging and we also know that the young hunters to replace them are dwindling in numbers.  Hmm....

Anyway, lots of roads being shut down and in some of the areas I hunt or plan on hunting the closures are turning four to eight square mile no driving blocks to over 16 square mile no driving blocks.  Will definitely make it a paradise for the in shape hunter.  Gonna need a pack for sure now!




 
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 2:01 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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May I suggest one of these:

http://www.eberlestock.com/J104%20Just%20One.htm

Personally less roads wouldn't bother me one bit!

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by on 03/09/2009 2:16 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have one of those.




 
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 2:17 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I too am torn about the road system changing. I love the badlands, started hunting there in the early 70's. I enjoy walking,  stalking, and glassing wide expanses of  some of the most beautiful terrain in our state. Like Tim said, I'm going to have to get in the best shape I can. This will be a great motivator!!
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 2:44 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I have one of those.



Well then you're already good to go!  Just a little more time on the treadmill is all that is needed.  (myself included mind you) 
Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 3:19 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I know Jiffy.  Trust me, I am happy about this proposal.  However, when I called my dad asking if he felt I should address a certain road closure he definitely reminded me of something...he's getting older.

With that said, his answer was, "This will be good for you and those like you that enjoy to hunt a certain way."

He then went on to say how It is good for him too since he can still move up and down the rugged terrain but as much as he likes to think he's young in due time his body will remind him of something different.

Bottom-line, we decided NOT to submit comments on a certain few roads.  Although, I think I do plan to visit with someone at the upcoming Minot Sportshow about one closure that will require over 40 miles of backtracking when that five mile road would eliminate that need to back track.

I think a lot of people are in the same situation where the people that taught them how to hunt will simply be reduced to certain areas.  Perhaps that is "fair" in the grand scheme of things but there are roads set for closure that are more than just trails...they are actually graded maintained roads.  Those will be off limits making it a young man's sport.  Do some of the "major" type roads need to be shut down?  I don't know...

I guess call me a wimp but I get a little "sad" when I think there will be a day when my dad simply can't go somewhere we normally went simply because a sign says this road is closed.  Especially when the only criteria is it is for an oil truck and not a hunter or recreationist.

But like I said, this is good for the non-road hunter.  My only suggestion at this time to the "law makers" is to maybe consider something similar to how the NDGF caters to the older hunter.

And jiffy, I'll need more than just a day pack like that.  I've got a few packs in mind to add to my day pack collection.  Mystery Ranch has some pretty good looking packs.




 
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 5:00 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I think less roads would be a good thing. It seems now that there are roads or trails almost everywhere.

Do you use the scabbard when hunting Jiffy?

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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 5:26 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yeah there are some honey holes that will take all day just to get back to, and if there is weather like last year it will take all day to get half way to them, bivy time in ND? Well the ponies will get a bit more work now, which is good for them. personally there is too many people out there the way it is now cut down that access and it will become jam packed like in CO you will see 20 rigs parked in the same area and guys walking all over, it's gonna be interesting that is for sure bless my youth damn my beer belly.
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by on 03/09/2009 8:14 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tim, getting older sucks....the alternative sucks worse.    However I understand what you are getting at.

You need to look at the  I put up a little closer if you think the J104 is just a day pack.  It is one of the most versitle packs made.  Look again and you will see.

bowhunter_24, for the most part I sling my rifle while hunting.  I can say however that there is no problem fitting a rifle with a bipod and M1s in it.  I comes in handy when you need to keep your hands free. 

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by on 03/09/2009 9:00 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tim, I thought you had the X-1?  The J104/107 expands to over 8000cu/i and is entirely different than the X-1.  How much more do you need?
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by on 03/09/2009 9:03 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I could not find a map of the roads they are closing in grand river grass lands.  I am glad that there will be less roads now they have to some one enforce it.  There have been a few times where i have walked along ways to get back some where and see a jack ass driving away.
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by on 03/09/2009 9:20 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Perhaps I don't understand but I didn't think that Jiffy's version was really a " pack" where it had an actual "back pack" to it.  Am I wrong?  Yeah, I'm too lazy to go look.  And yes, I do have the X-1 which, really, I gave the wrong impression...guilty as charged.

From the reading I seem to want a pack for proper load with my body height and weight.  The Mystery Ranch seemed pretty versatile.

Maybe I'll go look up Jiffy's pack now.  I do like the X-1 I got a lot.  So, if Jiffy's is designed for true backpacking I might switch gears.




 
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Re: Fewer roads, better marked in grasslands
by on 03/09/2009 9:21 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I wish they would do this same thing on the  roads south of Bismarck/Mandan on the Corp. land.
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by on 03/09/2009 9:30 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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J104/107 is nearly infinately adjustable.
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