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Chevy 4spd vs 6spd

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by , Posted to on 12/17/2009 00:53 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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So i am down to 2 trucks both 6.0 chevy extended cabs half tons. One is used 2008 loaded, one is new with basic lt1 package. The biggest thing i see that is different is the transmission, 09 has a 6 speed with the manual shift option. wondering if anyone has ran these to trucks and does the 6 speed improve mileage that much. any last second input would be great as i am pulling the trigger tommorow, and will be either driving 600 miles or driving 6.
Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 07:08 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I bought an 09 Ford with a 5 speed automatic tranny.  The biggest difference you will notice probably isn't in the mileage, but with the shift points.  My last truck had the standard 3 speed with OD.  

It's a little weird at first getting accustomed to the different shift points in how you manage the pedal.

I test drove the 09 GMC and Chevy equivalents with 6 speeds, they too seemed kinda weird at first with the shift points.  As far as mileage goes?  Yeah, they are supposed to help overall, but you the driver will be the ultimate determining factor on that based upon your tendencies to either ease up from a stop or to stomp on it.
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Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 07:34 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
You'r obviously using this as a tow vehicle since you're lookin at 2500s with the 6.0. The 6 speed trany makes a world of difference when hooked to a trailer. It has a very streep 1st gear which makes up for the small dicplacement V8 and higher rpm torque peak. The 6 speed is also suppose to be considered to have 2 over drives but in the end you have 3 gears that you can run in when on the highway, this helps significantly when towing!

Last year Pickuptrucks. com did a test of 3/4 ton gassers and 1 tons diesels and the testing staff and myself were very impressed with the results the 6.0/6sp combo turned in. It was the fastest unloaded and did very well with a 10k pound trailer compared to the dodge hemi and the Ford V10. It actually smoked the V10 (as did the hemi) untill it they hooked the trailers up and ran up a 7% grade which is where the torque of the V10 finally shined and begin to outrun the other two and catch up with the diesels. The article made multiple comments about the 6 speed being the reason why the 6.0 did so well. They basically stated that cog swapping with a steep first gear made up for lack of dicplacement when compared to the brute force of the V10/5sp combo.

I'm a ford guy, but I even was impressed with how well it ran. I have driven multiple 4 speed versions of the 6.0 and was never impressed. Heck the last one coudn't hold 3rd from Grandforks to Minot with an unloaded 24ft aluminum GN trailer on a calm day, there were lots of shifts down to 2nd.

I honsestly wouldn't even consider the 4spd truck, go for the newer one with the 6spd so long as it fits your budget.
Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 07:47 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I wouldn't buy a GM or Dodge because they took bailout money, I don't care how many gears their tranny's got.
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Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 09:08 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Horsager knows damn right.  Now to get Jr. in a Ford...
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Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 09:26 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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They are actually half tons, with the 6.0 367hp 375ft/lbs, i have heard that the halfs unloaded are pulling better mileage than the 3/4, due to the AFM cutting down to 4 cylinder and now with the 6 speed, that they are better yet.I was impressed with the 3/4 ton 6 speed, but all i pull is my boat or my icehouse both around 3500-4000. I just figured someone might have had one or both of the trucks at one time, since it is tough to find a place where the two transmissions are compared. And as far as dealers go it is tough to find, guys who actually know what they are talking about. I have had several dealers tell me you can't get the 6 speed in an extended cab, other ones tell me that the 6.0 is the same in the 3/4 as the half, one even tell me it was an allison 6speed in the 3/4, so it must be one in the half, i didn't realize that buying a truck was this complicated haha.
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by on 12/17/2009 09:31 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Horsager Said:
I wouldn't buy a GM or Dodge because they took bailout money, I don't care how many gears their tranny's got.

Gotta admit that while I was open to a GM truck based on it generally getting better mileage, I have driven Fords for many years and the thought of buying a Govt motors truck was a big negative for me.  They may have been closer in comparison if it weren't for that and the roughly $7k less that I paid for a Ford.

Can buy a heck of a lot of diesel for $7k.  Roughly 37,000 miles of driving worth.

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 09:48 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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sweeney Said:
They are actually half tons, with the 6.0 367hp 375ft/lbs, i have heard that the halfs unloaded are pulling better mileage than the 3/4, due to the AFM cutting down to 4 cylinder and now with the 6 speed, that they are better yet.I was impressed with the 3/4 ton 6 speed, but all i pull is my boat or my icehouse both around 3500-4000. I just figured someone might have had one or both of the trucks at one time, since it is tough to find a place where the two transmissions are compared. And as far as dealers go it is tough to find, guys who actually know what they are talking about. I have had several dealers tell me you can't get the 6 speed in an extended cab, other ones tell me that the 6.0 is the same in the 3/4 as the half, one even tell me it was an allison 6speed in the 3/4, so it must be one in the half, i didn't realize that buying a truck was this complicated haha.
It is not the allison from what I have learned, Was looking at a 6 liter last year.  Its just a HD 6 speed tranny.  The Allison is only paired with the Duramax.  The only thing that turned me away from the 6.0 was the fuel economy.  Kept the 07 Duramax because of the 18+ mpg and pulling ability.  I am guessing with the 6.0 the best you will ever get is 12 to 14 going downhill with the wind.

Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 09:55 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Sorry, cann't help in the 1/2s! The 6.0 in the 3/4s is different than that in the 1/2s as is the trany and no the the trany in the 1/2 is not an Allison. I would still go for the 6 speed, I have yet to find where more gears is not better most every where but the drag strip, the old 2 speed power glide is tough to beat for drag racing.
Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 10:08 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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"YES" the light duty  6 spd hydramatic tranny combined with the 5.3 active fuel management engine will give you better milage if you can keep your foot outof the engine,she rocks.

 

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Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 10:32 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: Sa
 
Allen Said:
I bought an 09 Ford with a 5 speed automatic tranny.  The biggest difference you will notice probably isn't in the mileage, but with the shift points.  My last truck had the standard 3 speed with OD.  

It's a little weird at first getting accustomed to the different shift points in how you manage the pedal.

I test drove the 09 GMC and Chevy equivalents with 6 speeds, they too seemed kinda weird at first with the shift points.  As far as mileage goes?  Yeah, they are supposed to help overall, but you the driver will be the ultimate determining factor on that based upon your tendencies to either ease up from a stop or to stomp on it.
You're 09 had a 5-speed? Huh, I've got a 2010 F-150 with a 6 speed auto. I thought for some reason the 09's had the same.

I agree, it takes some getting used to but it rocks. Very smooth and always has power.

I can't speak for the Chevy but they usually have a higher end torque. 

J
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by on 12/17/2009 10:44 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

He may have the 5 Speed Torque shift found the 05' and up Super Duty (F250/F350). this will also be a 6 Speed starting next year. The F150s/Expeditions currently have a 6 speed.

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by on 12/17/2009 10:54 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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YarcraftStorm Said:

He may have the 5 Speed Torque shift found the 05' and up Super Duty (F250/F350). this will also be a 6 Speed starting next year. The F150s/Expeditions currently have a 6 speed.


Good Call Yarcraft, appears he has a diesel....so he must have a Super Duty. Makes sense now.

Allen Said:
Horsager Said:
I wouldn't buy a GM or Dodge because they took bailout money, I don't care how many gears their tranny's got.

Gotta admit that while I was open to a GM truck based on it generally getting better mileage, I have driven Fords for many years and the thought of buying a Govt motors truck was a big negative for me.  They may have been closer in comparison if it weren't for that and the roughly $7k less that I paid for a Ford.

Can buy a heck of a lot of diesel for $7k.  Roughly 37,000 miles of driving worth.



J
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by on 12/17/2009 11:25 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yep, Super Duty.
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Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/17/2009 11:49 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Greyhound Said:
sweeney Said:
They are actually half tons, with the 6.0 367hp 375ft/lbs, i have heard that the halfs unloaded are pulling better mileage than the 3/4, due to the AFM cutting down to 4 cylinder and now with the 6 speed, that they are better yet.I was impressed with the 3/4 ton 6 speed, but all i pull is my boat or my icehouse both around 3500-4000. I just figured someone might have had one or both of the trucks at one time, since it is tough to find a place where the two transmissions are compared. And as far as dealers go it is tough to find, guys who actually know what they are talking about. I have had several dealers tell me you can't get the 6 speed in an extended cab, other ones tell me that the 6.0 is the same in the 3/4 as the half, one even tell me it was an allison 6speed in the 3/4, so it must be one in the half, i didn't realize that buying a truck was this complicated haha.
It is not the allison from what I have learned, Was looking at a 6 liter last year.  Its just a HD 6 speed tranny.  The Allison is only paired with the Duramax.  The only thing that turned me away from the 6.0 was the fuel economy.  Kept the 07 Duramax because of the 18+ mpg and pulling ability.  I am guessing with the 6.0 the best you will ever get is 12 to 14 going downhill with the wind.


yeah i researched the heck out of these trucks, still tough to find the 6 to 4 comparison. the point i was getting at was that you can't even trust the dealers knowledge.
Re: Chevy 4spd vs 6spd
by on 12/18/2009 09:49 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have run them both and the 6  speed is way better for towing.  Don't think you are going to boost any mileage though from 1/2 your cylinders cutting out as the only time it happens is coasting down hill or driving at less than 55 mph unloaded.
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